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How to start the next Vonage

Created by: damianmontero,Last modification on Fri 28 of Mar, 2008 [00:10 UTC] by spandit

How to start the next Vonage

This is a page for anyone that is interested in starting a full blown residential and/or small business VOIP provider business.

(original editor)
"What I wanted to do with this website is combine all the great minds of this website to get closer... faster to getting together all the information I would need if I wanted to create the next Vonage.
Please feel free to change, add or correct what I or anyone else that was posted here." - Damian

To start the next Vonage you will need essentially 6 things (other than 500,000 clients). Each of these things need to be qualified so that you know that your providers will still be there after you go live, and that they will honour your contract with them.


  • Website to allow the customer to sign up, and see their options & minutes used. (optional, but probably needed)
  • Provider of minutes - So your customers can call regular PSTN phone numbers - buy low, sell high
  • DID provider - So your customers have regular PSTN phone numbers for incoming calls
  • VOIP Server - to route the traffic from the DIDs to your customers & allow them to call out - Vonage Uses SER, Broadvoice use Broadsoft, RNKTEL uses asterisk.
  • Hardware provider for the ATAs needed to have your customers connect to the VOIP server
  • A billing engine. You do want to get paid, hm?

Number 1 rule: Test the entire solution. Run a pilot project with some volunteers for at least a couple of months before going live. Leave the pilot running so you can test changes before putting them into production. Reliability is your friend.

Provider of Minutes


You're going to be looking around for companies that provide you with Minutes for your customers to be able to pick up their phones and dial a phone number (local or long distance)

Most of these can be found in this page: VOIP+Service+Providers+B2B

Here are a couple of good minutes providers I've found so far:
StanaPhone Wholesale US =0.75-1.1 �/min - Accepts Wire transfer, Check, and Credit Card - $100 Minimum commitment - Email them and Sign up within weeks
VoipJet US=1.3�/min - Accepts Paypal & CC - FREE trial - $5 Minimum commitment - UP and running in 5 minutes
Commoice US48=1.5/min (All other A-Z rates: http://www.commoice.com/rates.php)
Gyrocom has rates from 0.44�/min, but varies a LOT - Up and running after you call them. ($250 Minimum per week use it or lose it)
FonoSIP.com Canada=1.6 US=1.9�/min - Accepts Paypal & CC - FREE trial - UP and running in 5 minutes. Also supports SER LiveCD Solution
http://www.five9snetwork.com Canada 0.0115 USD /min Full A-Z routing, AMAZING call quality. 604.628.0029 for sales desk
Commpartners - Large carrier class network, DIDs in most major cities, Sponser of www.voip-info.org!
http://www.mutualphone.com SERVICE IS NOT GOOD AND DON'T HAVE SUPPORT TO THE CLIENTS - USA 0.012 USD /min Full A-Z routing, AMAZING call quality and rates. Accounts work with any DID provider, such as free DID from www.ipkall.com. NOTE: www.mutualphone.com is a really bad services, they never give support to they clients, every day have problems and never answer your email support. Mutualphone is a really fake enterprises.



DID Providers


You're going to be looking around for companies that provide you 1-800 numbers, or Local DIDs in all the states, and/or countries where you'd like your customers (and maybe you too) to have phone numbers where people can call using any PSTN phone line. The best source for this is on www.voxbone.com - It is a exchange patform for differnt voip providers to sell there did's to you without a high per month cost to you of inventory. You show all there did numbers on your web site and route it to your network when customer orders it.

Most of these can be found in the same page as above: VOIP+Service+Providers+B2B

Airone Communications Wholesale Only, IAX/SIP VoIP Termination, Asterisk Support, Virtual PRI, DID Numbers in USA / CANADA: We Charge arround $0.03 Per Number Including Unlimited Inbound Calls. No Minimum Purchase Requirements

DID World Wide - Largest worldwide coverage, multi protocol and multi channel supported online DID provider.

www.didx.net - It is a exchange patform for differnt voip providers to sell their DID's to you without a high per month cost to you of inventory. You show all their DID numbers on your web site and route it to your network when customer orders it. Routing is instant to your network. You get 2 FREE DID when you signup to try out the didx services. DIDX does not provide any DI on its own but all are provided by some one else, but are tested thoughly. One way to understand DIDX is like an Ebay or Paypal or Arbinet of DID. I3Networks CEO calls it a DID ecosystem of 4500+ ITSPs from 200 countries. Since it's wholesale only, minimum monthly quantity of DID in each account is 20 through May 30, 2007 and then 50 DID from June 1, 2007 until further notice. Prices start $1.1 a month per did.

virtualphoneline.com - World's first did on a broadband phone provider beta in 1999 and public 2000, now retails only, and prices are higher but only sells good quality did's with fallback and pstn forwarding features.

IPKall will provide you a FREE DID in washington state - You're up and running within minutes

http://www.phone2net.com Phone 2 Net offers SIP , IAX2, and h323 trunking services. You can get unlimited incoming calls over IP to any of the protocols or Google, MSN, or Yahoo messengers. Guranteed tier1 quality numbers only. Best price in the market. visit www.phone2net.com

Stanaphone Retail They will give you a FREE DID in NEW York State (although it wouldn't be fair to use them unless you load some money onto your account) - You're up and running withing minutes - Takes Paypal
SipGate Free DID in UK & Germany - Same as Stana
Link2voip asterisk settings - 1-800 DIDs for $1.49/month & 4.5c/min - DIDs for $4.50/mo plus 1.37c/min only in a few Canadian area codes - Takes Paypal, but it takes about 1-2 days to get your DIDs - $20 Minimum Commitment

Commpartners - Large carrier class network, DIDs in most major cities, Sponser of www.voip-info.org!



VOIP Server


You can use SER or Asterisk for this purpose, but the biggest problem is the billing. Many recommend to write your own, or you can buy a ready made software which supports asterisk or ser. Vonage uses SER and many like broadvoice, phoneopia use asterisk. You can use an asterisk cluster to bring high redundency.

Asterisk The most talked about VoIP server here and with all the information here I was able to setup a server with phones within my office, and outside (for family members) also I am getting DIDs from the links above, and using minutes from the minutes providers above. Asterisk (or just *) is the most feature filled VoIP server at the expense of scalability. Asterisk can interface with a wider range of user CPE (Customer Premises Equipment) and trunk connections (referred to simply as "minutes" here) opening up more possibilities for you. Comment: Asterisk scales just fine by adding more boxes.

  • Vidanetwork Technologies. Asterisk based Scalable network managment and billing system could be useed to provide services to not only residential users. but also small and medium businesses. It has User provisioning, Pre-pay, Post-pay, Flat Rate with free minutes billing plans, Hosted Virtual PBXes, Calling cards, and Conference room management. The End user web portal allows user to setup account, change call features, review call logs and even make payment online.

  • SuperTec's Vonage Replacement Solusion Super Technologies was one of the first vonage wholesaler, and then later developed the same solution based on asterisk. Now offer the entire vonage in a box solution starting 20,000$us. Includes provisioning, billing, CRM, Accounting, Auditing, Web Site, Credit Card charging, Paypal Charging, every thing and everything you need for becoming vonage. Includes integration with didx for did numbers, and phoneopia for out going services.

It covers all the 6 items listed above in the requirement. A working product is on www.superphoneunlimited.com


SIP Express Router I've been told that if you have REAL traffic (if you move BEYOND selling to your friends, and 100 other customers) you should be using SER (as it's called). FWD, uses them and so do a lot of other providers including Vonage. It is touted that a powerful dual processor server can handle the call volume of a half of a million users. SER really only handles the setup of each call per the SIP specification. The actual voice stream travels directly between the calling party and your contracted PSTN gateway (provider of "minutes"). Comment: Asterisk and SER are not trying to do the same thing. SER is a SIP proxy, Asterisk is not (although it can function as one). You need to get your head around why you would want some of each in your mini-Vonage.

SER LiveCD Solution All-in-one solution with integrated pre-paid, post-paid and flat fee accounting. Commercial support.

You can look through this list of VOIP PBX and Servers where you can find the correct option (then come back to this page, and correct what I've written here)



Website for customers.


Here you're going to either have to build a custom made solution connecting to the VOIP Server above, or look for a product that includes some kind of website for you and your customer to be able to add remote, change services through a graphical or web interface.

Some companies you might look into:

Dialexia Canadian company that charges $15/user & $175 per concurrent call, normally you'd get these on a 10:1 ratio. They connect to their own VOIP Server and have a login for you, for your resellers, and for the final customers, as well as cyber-cafe or Calling booth options

Speedway - Take a look at this provider, they give you a very easy way to start a VoIP business in just 5 minutes whit $0.00, you only pay the minute that you (and your customer) need. You will have a control panel to manage your customers and if you wan't they can host asterisk servers with billing, cdr, and rating ready. (Site entirely in Spanish)

Calgary Telecom - Web based billing software. Online CDR's and provisioning. Customizable and Scalable to your needs. Works great with Asterisk.

Please add somemore here.



Get someone else to do it.


  • SuperTec's Vonage Replacement Solusion Super Technologies was one of the first vonage wholesaler, and then later developed the same solution based on asterisk. Now offer the entire vonage in a box solution starting 20,000$us. Includes provisioning, billing, CRM, Accounting, Auditing, Web Site, Credit Card charging, Paypal Charging, every thing and everything you need for becoming vonage. Includes integration with didx for did numbers, and phoneopia for out going services.

It covers all the 6 items listed above in the requirement. A working product is on www.superphoneunlimited.com . Can get you started in 2 weeks.

  • SuperTec's BYOD based ITSP If you are seeking to offer BYOD( Bring your own Device) or open SIP based phone services, you can use the Super tec's BYOD solution. The differnce is not really there accept the above one locks the device for you, the choice is there for both. the entire BYOD ITSP in a box solution starting 20,000$us. Includes provisioning, billing, CRM, Accounting, Auditing, Web Site, Credit Card charging, Paypal Charging, every thing and everything you need for becoming vonage. Includes integration with didx for did numbers, and phoneopia for out going services.

It covers all the 6 items listed above in the requirement. A working product is on www.superphoneunlimited.com . Can get you started in 2 weeks.

RNK - Asterisk based. They offer did and termination. They have a starting price of around $7000 and they're growing very fast. They'll get you up on your feet within weeks.

Speedway - Take a look at this provider, they give you a very easy way to start a VoIP business in just 5 minutes whit $0.00, you only pay the minute that you (and your customer) need. You will have a control panel to manage your customers and if you wan't they can host asterisk servers with billing, cdr, and rating ready. (Site entirely in Spanish)

Voip INC - Alse HUGE, their intial cost is about $8000 which includes $5000 of minutes purchased through them. they're fairly flexable, and will accept DIDs from other providers of yours & minutes from other providers (after you used up the mandetory ones you've purchased from them)

They also offer a HOSTED voip solution for you to become a VOIP service provider.

  • See others

www.voip-info.org has more information.



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by geoff400, Monday 21 of January, 2008 [09:28:52 UTC]
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by geoff400, Monday 21 of January, 2008 [09:28:01 UTC]
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333VOIP Service Provider Software

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333mutualphone.com suck - terrible service

by luigi666, Wednesday 29 of November, 2006 [02:14:58 UTC]
I had an account with mutualphone.com, the service is terrible, they always have problems and when you write to the support they never respond, only respond messages send to sales but not the support email... if you send support email to sales, they neves respond.

mutualphone never report the problems that have and the changes that make in the server. They do not have information of contact in his Web page, which demonstrates that they are not interested in offering support.

They bill calls to you although these are not made, and if you report them, they never give back the money that you lost.

In the forums of mutualphone you find much people who complaint of the service, but they always are erasing the messages, until have gotten to block the forums.
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333mutualphone.com suck - terrible service

by luigi666, Wednesday 29 of November, 2006 [02:14:43 UTC]
I had an account with mutualphone.com, the service is terrible, they always have problems and when you write to the support they never respond, only respond messages send to sales but not the support email... if you send support email to sales, they neves respond.

mutualphone never report the problems that have and the changes that make in the server. They do not have information of contact in his Web page, which demonstrates that they are not interested in offering support.

They bill calls to you although these are not made, and if you report them, they never give back the money that you lost.

In the forums of mutualphone you find much people who complaint of the service, but they always are erasing the messages, until have gotten to block the forums.
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333Don't post your services if you're not ready!

by bjornta, Friday 08 of April, 2005 [03:17:48 UTC]
Fordvoice's web-site is not functional yet, so I'm not sure what it's doing on this page. Whoever posted this, please take it off until they can actually provide the services they claim they can.
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333Re: Re: we all need specific info

by damianmontero, Tuesday 29 of March, 2005 [16:24:04 UTC]
Nothing worse that someone complaining about something without fixing it.
Reminds me of the people that complain about the president and they didn't vote.

Please. If you or anyone else feels that what is here is oversimplified, that's fine. That's what you get from 2 weeks of studing the matter. So it is a general posting with some specific B2B companies to answer some of the basic questions.

If you believe there are some MAYOR things missing in the posting Other than the correction of "test before you roll out", please post them up here.

I'm not too worried about the SUPER SUPPLIER of DIDs or Minutes you've found. Those are everywhere. I'm worried about missing STEPS which are obious. Like you SHOULDN"T be using Asterisk. You should be using SER. That's an excellent reason to edit and change this page.

Please correct the mistakes of others, don't just complain that people that know less than you don't know as much as you. (because that's obious.)(:twisted:)
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333Re: Re: we all need specific info

by aminshah75, Tuesday 29 of March, 2005 [07:12:55 UTC]
Thanks mezzmor!
I know this is difficult but not impossible. We just want know:
On which tools one VOIP CEO spend his spend his time and money, as there are many in the market. Can you or any one else provide the list of tools that have been successfully implemented in a running voip buiness.

Looking forward for this simple honest reply
take care
Amin
CEO http://www.myvoipnet.com
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333Re: we all need specific info

by mezzmor, Monday 28 of March, 2005 [23:32:31 UTC]
I think this is over simplification. I started down the path to starting my own VOIP company just after asterisk was released and I am finally going live this week. Lots of development work needed to be done. Asterisk is a great toolkit, but it took development time on the website and getting the website to talk to SQL to talk to asterisk...you get the picture. It is nowhere as easy as this makes it out to be. It isn't impossible either, but you won't be able to do this inside of a week.
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333we all need specific info

by aminshah75, Monday 28 of March, 2005 [05:49:50 UTC]
This is a place i was looking for. Now in addition one CEO as i am at myvoipnet.com, need more specific informations:
eg. what is the best sip or h323 server to use. there are many in the open source , but which is mostly adopted by commercial organization.
What about Billing server, still there are many in the opensouce , but again which one is practically implemented.
What about Radius, again there are many, which one should be selected.

these are some specific questions, and the new CEO must know in specific about the industry and open source. I believe the open source is more flexible and powerful. But the flexibility comes with complexity in the open source community. We all thanks those open source develpers, but we hope that these fast , free and powerful code will be properly documented for newbies. The developers are busy people, but no one can write a better document for an open souce software than the developers. I wish we could find all these stuff on this wiki...
take care
amin
CEO myvoipnet.com